We're full up. Although there's been planning for growth, I'm not sure we've built enough. We really need this place for the bed space, as well as for transitioning inmates.

School construction is an important part of the growth of a city, and if the City Council — through their planning authority — can't regulate that, I think all the cities might be negatively impacted.

I think that what we've got is a boutique-type operation. If we could get into a large chain, that would be awesome, but somehow I can't see us competing with Levi Strauss.

We're prisons, and we're marketing what we are.

No one who goes to prison is entirely without some risk. But should they walk away, they are unlikely to do any harm or damage. And, frankly, almost all of them are caught within a fairly short period of time.

The reality is that an inmate can get out if they so desire, but what keeps them there is the possibility of sanctions.