We will be the highest, outside of California and, maybe, Hawaii.

You'd have to be very careful how you do this so you don't set off a stampede into another product that would just cause a secondary shortage in that.

It's not like there's five tankers on the Mississippi River with the old stuff.

There are going to be peaks and valleys. At the end of the day, for an industry that ran at 100 percent, 24-7, we're still lacking 5 percent of our total [refining capability.] That's significant.

We're in uncharted territory. I'm not sure anybody knows what to expect.

We've actually gotten better musically over the years, ... But we've come to realize that we will never be good.