The programs that were overturned usually were not providing adequate incentives. Those programs that were providing incentives, those seemed to be the programs that were successful.

This is a challenging and difficult job that requires adequate compensation. We are not providing adequate compensation now.

I'm usually not up there with the pros, but they pass me occasionally. I get to see a higher level of sailing and get tips from the pros off the water.

They were ineffective. It's just not an adequate explanation.

And the incentives are completely wrong. It makes no sense to have multiple programs, and there is no provision for negotiating prices with the companies. Anyone who looked at the law as it was being passed knew that it was wrong, and now what we predicted is happening.

It's like rungs in a ladder. It's like a rock overturned.