It's really tough. You have no control over the wind. That's what makes sailing so fun.

In D.C., where everything is about work, this is about something we love.

One of the other really nice things about sailing is you have all these young guys, then old guys like us, and you can really have a lot of fun with a mixed age group.

We're going to set up our upwind mark and our downwind mark.

We try to let them have fun, but we keep them under control. We try to find a happy medium there.

I may not have been the greatest president, but I've had the most fun eight years.