I realized I couldn't keep thinking the way I'd been thinking.

I was resistant to it at first. But you couldn't ignore the message because of how it was framed and how it was being lived.

There tends to be more division and exclusion in the way religion is brought to bear on politics these days.

We were thinking it could be Categorical Exclusion.

We're thinking, 'OK, they'll drain it and she'll be fine.

I was really thinking of this idea of finding a level, finding a level with the environment.