Access to information is really not available to folks.

We want to make sure that we're not going to continue to have this problem.

We still have net wetland losses being reported which is a real core issue, since we were hoping to -- all the way back 15 years ago when the Wetland Conservation Act passed -- have net gains.

We thought things were happening on the landscape that we don't know about. We said, 'Let's get a bunch of people out on the landscape to tell us about wetlands.' Those wetlands stories bore out under investigation.

Everybody seems to agree acreage continues to be lost, but the pace has slowed.

One avenue we're exploring with them is jointly selling the team and the arena.