Yes, the value of commercial real estate in parts of the Bay Area declined between 2000 and 2003,

And the tourism value is unbelievable, ... You can't put a dollar value on that.

You can't put a dollar value on that.

We're not really a value shop.

I would not take necessarily at face value some real high thread counts.

We are working the connections and we see the value in it. Whether it's having an effect, it's hard to tell. Overall, ski areas have really got diversity on their radar screens.