When you go in and do a cool, small character, it feels less like work and more like fun.

My theory is, independent movies only work if you're willing to push the material and do something different.

Like, they know that I have a habit of rubbing my earlobes, I've been doing it since I was two.

It's been such a group effort. When you're a new band and you have limited resources, you end up getting people that are there because they love what you do, and that's great.

But I've consistently worked for 10 years.

Even the great bad guys in cinema history, they're likable.