When it did, it really hurt, and that's when I started getting trouble. It was like $280,000 we lost. I sort of got stupid.

It shows what doing the right thing will do for you. There's something to be said for that.

I never in my wildest dreams thought that I'd get this opportunity.

We fought forest fires together, like for two weeks on the fire lines, 12 hours a day, so we know a little bit about each other, you know.

When it did, it really hurt, and that's when I started getting trouble. It was like $280,000 we lost. I sort of got stupid.

It was always just people's junk I put together because they wanted to sell it.