When I hear people like Wes Hayes say in the appeal that the tribe is trying to use video poker as leverage to get a bingo game at Santee, in some sense that's right.

Poker has leveled out, but new players are gradually coming in; just not as fast. We've developed two kinds of players - those who like the cash tables, and tournament players. It's two different styles of play.

He's always coming up with new ideas and trying them out. I always enjoy working with people like that.

After the attacks in London, there were a number of questions asked trying to understand who these people were and where they had been.

Poker is huge. It's everywhere and everyone is playing whether it's competitively or casually. People really like the concept. Some are collecting the chips and displaying them, others are playing with them and some are doing both.

The tribe was not all opposed to that.