What we set out to do was to ensure that this system of fair shares and the planning and controls continued after the war, and when we won, that's what we did.

I remember people who'd had a lot of hardship during the war. They'd thought we'd won.

That was not what men and women fought for during the war.

If you've got unemployment, low pay, that was just too bad. But that was the system. That was the sort of economy and philosophy against which I was fighting in the 1930s.

And what always struck me about that war period was how even Churchill had to talk socialism to keep up people's morale.

It is true that they paid much more attention to the trade unions because the trade unions were after all speaking for the rights and conditions of working men and women in their employment.