We were down seven coming back after the half, and Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson hadn't sniffed a lick. You figure if you got those two guys going we've got a legitimate shot, but we just fell in the tank in the third quarter.

Joe came up big again tonight. You have to tip your cap to him, he made the biggest shot of the night.

Joe is the description of what they're looking for. When you're putting a team together you're looking for guys who can do a little bit of everything. You want guys that can score, handle the ball, pass, defend and make shots in the open court. Joe can do all of those things.

I left home when I was 17 with Joe Williams.

They're improved, but they're still coming at costly times. I think we cut them in half, but still, penalties are still costly. They're not doing it intentionally, but it's not acceptable, either.

Less than half are coming from Siebel.