We really haven't set up a time-frame to do it, ... To be honest, the board hasn't sat down and said here's what we're going to do.

I told him to think about it. Well, (Tuesday) afternoon he and I sat down and talked. He told me, 'Greg, Carol (Vermeil's wife) and I spent a long time (Monday) night talking about it. We believe it is the right thing.

Financing is tough, and you really have to work hard in the businesses you invest in.

Being a consultant is like flying first-class. The food is terrific, the drinks are cold. But all you can do is walk up to the pilot and say, 'bank left.' If you're in management, you have the controls.

It's all about having a product that you're proud of and coming to work every day. Those basic building blocks are the same in any business.

It's hard for the same people who put you in the ditch to pull you out of it.