We hadn't seen any rats or evidence of rats until the school district started the eradication program, and then we started to see evidence of the rats moving across the fence line.

A lot of stuff, we had to learn ourselves. Training became some school work in those areas we were not familiar with, like orbital mechanics, the extensive gyroscopic systems for control of the vehicle.

Be thankful for problems. If they were less difficult, someone with less ability might have your job.

That training really helped us on the second time around, ... It was one of those acts of fate.

Back in those days, going to the moon, geology was important, ... But how do we train pilots to be geologists? We concentrated on observing, not the analytical parts of the rocks.

The training in those days was rather ad hoc because the people running NASA were basically engineers,