We get a de facto 4K program, and we're not levying for it.

We're not there to fix everything. We're there to be companions.

Basically, you have to meet the definition of the school. Right now, part of the problem we're facing is we're meeting the definition of a program. We're going to work on that.

(Health care) is not just about biology, it's about mind, body and spirit. Lay people are really very important in our care.

This is not your father's Apollo program.

How much of this is post facto rationalization?