We don't discount our greens fees. We try to put up signs about the wetness and cart paths only. We do remind our golfers about the conditions.

When you figure everything up, including the cart fees at the courses, it comes out to about $21 a round. That's pretty good.

The market has done a good job of ignoring signs we have bottomed. That's more a ghost of the bear market than any disbelief in the numbers. A dog that's mistreated doesn't trust a hand extended in kindness. This will change.

The market has done a good job of ignoring signs we have bottomed, ... That's more a ghost of the bear market than any disbelief in the numbers. A dog that's mistreated doesn't trust a hand extended in kindness. This will change.

It's amazing to me. They know 25 handshakes, but they can't get the signs.

You won't know the discount, if there is a discount, until after all the accounting is done.