We are still in discussions. And progress is being made.

I think we stand a good chance of making some genuine progress. There's a range of things I think can be done.

We made excellent progress in 2005 by improving our management of the distribution channel, reducing inventories throughout the supply chain and reducing our capital spending and ultimately depreciation expense.

We've got such a good relationship with Jim and Gladys. He won't say no to progress. He is in his mid-80s but is as receptive to new ideas and as keen to use new technology as any young farmer.

Frankly I think we?re making substantive progress.

There has been progress, and there have been intermittent problems.