We all used to go down to watch Chuck Thome hit the ball. Then, around 1940, his son Art turned into quite a hitter at Manual [High School] in the days when my brother Jim used to play against him for Central. And not far behind him was Chuck Jr.

Tommy Les was one of the most determined basketball players I've ever been around. He was sort of like a basketball version of Pete Rose, only I think Pete Rose had a better jump shot. But Tom was the sort of player that you were going to have to carry off the court before you were going to beat him.

We had to change our minds within three or four weeks. Without the staff pastor assigned here, leading small groups and praying with people, it got a little thin.

And when he is telling a serious story, you can hear a pin drop. It's is the same thing as going to a movie theater. You go to a movie theater and everyone laughs at the jokes and people cry at the right time.

It's a flat environment?there's no balcony, no slant or slope to the seating?and there are big screens up front.

They get the idea in their heads that there are other kinds of art.