They're likely to turn dirt the quickest and be opened. This is obviously new terrain for the both of us. The city has never had a college as part of its operations, and we've obviously never tried to operate a municipal library.

The group seemed to land on a bigger-picture agenda.

We're not trying to change anyone's mind.

The biggest challenge that we faced is the dramatic change in status of our partner. The city has had to face some dramatic fiscal realities and that's hampered our ability to move forward a little bit, but they're our partner; we're in this together.

They have stepped up. Make no mistake about it, Robby and Wang have carried us at times, ... Without them, we are not in this position.

That is what they want us to do. I'm not happy, but we need to keep Spa alive don't we?