They're demanding major outsourcing of our jobs, not because they need it but because they think they can make them somewhere else cheaper.

I'm not very optimistic at this point, ... The big thing is the demand on jobs that they have, on outsourcing our jobs ... to anywhere in the world that can do it cheaper.

I'm not very optimistic at this point. The big thing is the demand on jobs that they have, on outsourcing our jobs . . . to anywhere in the world that can do it cheaper.

I'm not very optimistic at this point. The big thing is the demand on jobs that they have, on outsourcing our jobs . . . to anywhere in the world that can do it cheaper.

It's a major restructuring. I don't want to downplay it,

We're not afraid of change, we embrace change. But not at the expense of our members and their families and their communities.