There's a cost to everything. The positive is, you're getting an arena. But, you're in bed now with gambling as a way to pay that off. You're making the money from people who can't afford it.

That's about $9 million a year, and for a gambling ring that's not a big operation. It's not notable for the size, it's notable for who the players are that are placing the bets.

We're using the word 'gambling' more often now.

We're seeing a lot of good kids with gambling problems.

I've gotten myself into [gambling] situations where I would not walk away and I've pushed the envelope,

Yeah, I've gotten myself into (gambling) situations where I would not walk away and I've pushed the envelope, ... It's very embarrassing...one of the things you totally regret. So you look at yourself in the mirror and say, 'I was stupid.'