There is nobody else in this room, and certainly nobody in this administration that shares his belief. Our thought would be that he would continue on for months and years to come.

Tim stressed to him we don't want violations here. That's been laid out.

Ten years ago, that wouldn't have been the case; you wouldn't have the CEOs on conference calls. But they all understand business, and this was a huge business decision. There's so much at stake in terms of prestige, status and certainly the BCS.

You end up hiring somebody that was not on your radar screen. I guess that's in part what America is all about.

When I got here, there was a sense of futility. If the old administration had stayed on here for three more years, I think football would have been dropped. We would have no marching band, and we'd be at about 12,000 students today.

We didn't really have a premise. We thought they should just all go to a pool.