Their initial thought was Lee Carter could assist EnABLES, and I said no way. . . . It's not appropriate to switch sides.

You're really defining the requirements as you go, which makes the cost estimates, . . . frankly, not that valuable.

Pricing these projects is much more an art than a science, and anyone who tells you differently is kidding you.

I thought if we'd ever taken the lead, I thought that thought might start coming back into their minds that they can't win the big one. But we never took the lead, so we never saw how they'd react.

We shot-faked and I thought we got bumped a few times, but we didn't get the calls. That's how it goes.

We wouldn't have recommended [the permit] if we thought it was going to cause a problem.