The people that were watching us for 10 years — telling us why it wouldn't work and they wouldn't invest in it and thought that that was the wrong way to compete — were a little foolhardy.

We've gotten away from the team game lately, and it didn't work for us.

The key is really getting those units to work together. Like the 2 and the 12 (teams) — oil and water, right? But if the 2 and the 12 were compatible in crew chief and driver and all that, then that's all it would take.

People are reluctant to change because they see it as a challenge to their authority.

Their present charter is not livable. It's onerous. If they were willing to work with us, maybe we could join in a charter change with just a minimal inflation provision.

It's just so hard sometimes to work out where people stand on these things. I mean, isn't the Pope a feminist?