The law says that when you give out Perkins loan money, you start with the people who are the poorest and continue backward. It's not much money, but it does go to our neediest students. They would be left hanging without it.

The situation has gotten worse and worse over the past 25 years.

I'll be very surprised if (President Bush's recommendation) is successful. This is an election year. Do you think anyone, Republican or Democrat, is going to want to stand up and tell his electorate ... 'We got rid of a program for poor kids'? I don't think so.

If these people broke the law and public money was paid out in an improper manner, they could be held responsible to pay that money back.

It's a lot of fun, a lot of fun. We meet lots of people. You come out here and there's always this huge crowd at every game. It's a lot of fun.

The city auctions always lost money. We'd get a small turnout of people bidding, and we had to hire auctioneers and pay city employees to handle the goods.