That kind of validation was nice. It was especially sweet because we didn't do anything within the normal promotion process. It was the song itself.

He was a sadist. He tortured me.

We didn't expect it,

We had really pretty varied tastes,

When we approached our next sessions in my house, we decided to completely go for things we couldn't even perform live. We went for a studio approach, really layering and cutting things down.

It just made me really fight for what I had after that, which was really good. It really sent me off in the right direction. Looking back on it now I'm really lucky. Getting kicked out of the band was definitely the best thing to happen to me at that time.