Sometimes I'm really tired. You do all you can to stay up.

They'd rather stay where they are and continue doing what they're doing, ... They understand what we have to do is in the best interest of the community.

He got tired of sitting on the bench.

That's how the superficial clot works. They end up turning into Swiss cheese. They break up, but stay in the same spot. They cover over with tissue so they don't dislodge and move in there. It's a stable situation and he's off of the blood thinners. The doctors are very optimistic about it and we will see how it goes.

They keep picking and picking to make it too uncomfortable to stay.

The important thing is to not be static. We want to actively grow the collection.