Our profile was pretty low, deliberately so. Our constituents were a relatively small audience.

Those were always the guys that I admired. I think I've maintained a relatively sort of low-key profile. I try to do good work and make it about that.

When ATM machines came out and people were prosecuted for robbing ATM machines, I don't think anybody thought the banks were against technology because they didn't want their ATM machines lifted.

They prefer to keep a low profile.

I don't have any illusions that what we are doing is sticking the the bottle. I don't think that's what we are doing. We are trying to make sure that the genie has friends, has food to eat, a way to grow.

For music, unlike a $500 software program, people are paying a buck or two a song, and it's those dollars and pennies that have to add up to pay for not just the cost of that song, but the investment in the next song.