Nothing much came of that, the songs weren't very mainstream, ... But I learned a lot about songwriting from working with Buck.

His approach was that we didn't play any of the songs for the band members until they got to the studio. Weeks before that, I went over to Dan's and played songs for him. We talked about which ones he liked, which ones we thought worked for this record. ... He was not the kind of producer who says, 'I need you to do that.' He's the kind of producer who puts his trust in the musicians.

There was a time we decided that it was songs that were done especially from my background because of the things we were dealing with, but nowadays, anybody who has a need, and can find the need, they can sing the blues.

I don't know many people who write songs who haven't been touched by him in some way.

He has a good method. 30 minutes of theory and a half-hour of playing the songs.

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