Louisville is not on the radar screen of most prospects.

He's a very smart man, and he dug down very deep into all of these issues. You've got to say, 'Look, here's what the city is like,' and introduce it to them as opposed to letting them go to friends or peers who may have perceptions of Louisville.

We prefer not to get caught up in disputes over other product categories. It hasn't been on our radar screen, but it may be now.

It was just happening at the beginning under our radar screen. We feel that now that we understand how they're going about trying to steal the copper pipe, we know how to handle it.

Oldenburg has been extremely respected in the industry. But they have kind of flown under the radar screen and have not done a lot of self-promoting. Turning the company over to Joy, which is very good at promoting its products, is a good move.

We are what we are. I mean, it's not an NHL lineup. We're playing a lot of prospects. On the positive side some people got to see maybe some future players, but these kids are still a long way away from being ready to wear this sweater for real.