It's good to collaborate between Germany and Brazil on design. You can have people in many locations.

If not Brazil, then England, Germany or Italy, who are much sharper.

We've been very conservative about that because of indemnification. Our needs are mission-critical. We really want commercially supported products.

We will simplify integration between systems throughout our network while improving the user experience. It supports our objective of increasing the value of our development investment while reducing operating costs.

The question is how you get the best use of that. We're looking at grid technology.

We've had this tremendous benefit of in-house design for a long time, and people get used to it. The designers are good at what they do, but it's something we can't afford, so we'll have to do what everyone else does and go to the street.