It's going to be tough to come up with (an exact bond) value because of pensions and other things they have to sort through.

There was somewhat of a perfect storm helping GM today.

It's bad news for everyone.

Lear has a lot of operating issues that they still have to resolve. I can't see much upside in this credit at current levels.

What you want to do is you want to own as little sort of hard infrastructure as possible, and your real value is your name and how you build that up.

We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it is all about.