It occurred in Vietnam. But it was still unusual.

If you're working on the line at Ford or you're an accountant doing taxes day after day, there seems to be no tangible results of your efforts. In a war, there are deaths, but there is personal gratification.

In a place like Fort Bragg, where there are 50,000 people, there is a much better chance of developing and sustaining a relationship over time and potentially getting promotions in that area, which used to be not that common.

We were some of the first Americans who landed in Vietnam without weapons in our hands, you might say.

I'm happy that I'm alive. I feel like someone coming back from Vietnam, you know; I'm sure that later on I'll start killing people in a square somewhere, but right now, I just feel happy to be alive.

We didn't lose Vietnam. We quit Vietnam.