It is snobbery, basically, ... People think you would have to have a university education at least to write as he does.

We even had discussions on chapters that didn't take place, like 'Lake Activities,' ... We combined that into entertainment.

We've got kids who have problems in school, kids who've been abused, some kids that this is their last resort before going into foster care. Sometimes our talks in circle-ups (around campfires) are so heart-touching that we all cry.

We are trying to narrow down to the minimum that we feel we need before we put a cost out there.

We even had discussions on chapters that didn't take place, like 'Lake Activities,' ... We combined that into entertainment.

It's quite old. Perhaps 175 years old.