It has to be a gradual approach to be effective.

It comes down to making time.

The biggest mistake is that people move into it too vigorously and too quickly.

(The issue) became so pervasive that we decided to create a separate subcommittee.

No one would say we don't want industry here, because that's what we have, and we coexist quite well.

If you see me on Friday, you'll see different material on Saturday night.