Is there some frustration in that this has lasted now significantly longer than people thought it would at the onset? Yes, that frustration is there,

I think we do need more troops over there and have for a long period of time. The people who make those decisions do not agree with that.

Frustration has really set in.

A lot of the fear was fueled by misconceptions, ... Some people thought bodies were going to be burned so diseases could be spread through the air. None of that is going to happen.

The thrust of our conversation was our mutual frustration with the lack of aggressiveness on the part of DOC.

Don't get me wrong, ... I was on the football team. I didn't play much.