If an employee was paid with grants, if we don't have documentations, the auditor actually goes and tries to contact the individual,

They could actually use confiscated timber or timber from grants.

The (volunteer) board does a lot of things that a paid employee would do.

We have been in contact with the company, and they are aware that this is coming.

He goes into a cocoon and tries to figure it out, ... Then, after a while, I'll pull him out and say, 'Let's go, Ro. Time to move forward.'

He is under contract. He has refused to render his services, and so we have not paid him for his services, although we've kept him on his medical insurance.