ISVs are really embracing this model. And VARs who have either a vertical or horizontal expertise can take the applications for a demo with their customers, or play with the applications in a development environment; you can't do that with software.

A company like ourswhere the actual software is a servicelends itself to some interesting partner models. You start blurring the lines of what you do when you partner with us.

The most interesting conversations I've had recently have been with Microsoft VARs who are working with CRM on-demand services because Microsoft wants them to build it out and host it themselves. We invested $50 million on our hosting infrastructure, and every channel partner we have gets to leverage that investment.

A company like ours—where the actual software is a service—lends itself to some interesting partner models. You start blurring the lines of what you do when you partner with us.

We were young political revolutionaries. [Then-California Gov.] Reagan said we hated white folk. That's not true.

We jumped into the protest of Vietnam before the Black Panther Party ever started, before the Black Panther Party was even thought of. In fact, it was late 1965 and 1966 that the anti-Vietnam War, anti-draft to the Vietnam War protest started at University of California, Berkeley.