I was telling him to keep kicking his feet to stay afloat.

It's all we can do to stay afloat. We're not going to be building anything for a long time.

He was very lethargic. He wasn't moving around too much. When I swam up to him he didn't try to grab me. He didn't try to hold onto me. Normally, people in the water, that's what they do, so I knew he was in bad condition.

This obviously has a better ending.

It was like kicking a rock. But the nice thing about it was you really couldn't feel your feet anyway, so it didn't hurt too much.

Our gradual and steady growth toward that has made it much sweeter. … It's a lot of work to stay afloat, and a lot of foresight and planning.