I was one of the founders in, in that, the three of us all had the, had the founder's stock.

My father was an immigrant from Russia and my mother was first generation.

Killing Intel, I, I just had to resign from the Apple Board.

IBM decided they were going to enter the copying business in 1968.

I think they, Peter McCullough was, turns out was not a good CEO.

I mean I wasn't a founder in the sense that I contributed anything scientifically but in the sense that I signed the corporation papers and, and owned founder's stock.