I was on heroin when I testified before the grand jury,

in the studio that went unnoticed for the full hour... Like Matt Cooper, Russert had testified to the grand jury on the Plame affair, yet at no point during the interview did the salient fact sally forth to the viewer. The pretense was uninvolved journalist interviewing involved participant: the reality was one pea in the pod interviewing a fellow pea.

She was disoriented. She really needed rehab. She was doing 'blows' [heroin]. She left my house when she was 16, and she's been in and out of jail ever since. I think she escaped to get some more drugs.

They wouldn't go in front of the grand jury unless they had something to go after.

The allegation is that when they told the grand jury about the process they made some misstatements and false allegations, ... Face the Nation.

I remember when I knew she was going to have to testify in the grand jury and I felt terrible because she'd been through the loss of her sister, this horrible accident at Christmas that killed her brother, and her mother was in the hospital. I was trying to make her understand that I didn't want her to be untruthful to the grand jury and if her memory was different than mine, it was fine, just go in there and tell them what she thought. So that's all I remember.