Sean Payton
Related PEYTON MANNING Whether Brett Favre retires or not probably won't have a drastic effect. BILL WENZEL I couldn't believe it that he (Brett Favre) signed the picture and the jersey. It's pretty neat. DANIEL OBREMSKI I don't think Sean Payton turned down the job because Sean Payton was never offered the job. Sean Pa... AL DAVIS MARC NEWSON Their engineers converted my prototype into a saleable product and got me through the UL approval, GEOFFREY WINTERS Their engineers converted my prototype into a saleable product and got me through the UL approval. GEOFFREY WINTERS BOOMER ESIASON I love the Cowboys in the early 90s. That was their heyday, winning all those Super bowls. Troy Aikm... DREW BREES I'm like, 'He looks like the prototype linebacker – big and muscular, mean-looking.' DONNIE EDWARDS I'm like, 'He looks like the prototype linebacker big and muscular, mean-looking.' DONNIE EDWARDS ARTHUR SMITH I spent much of my life dying for somebody to help me even file for a patent or make a prototype. I ... WOODY NORRIS ANNA QUINDLEN ANNA QUINDLEN The (fast-breed reactor) program is at a prototype stage and not ready for inclusion in a list of In... ANIL KAKODKAR I can't speak for everyone but I would think we'd proceed as if Brett Favre is coming back. BILL WENZEL It's a prototype because it's the first of its type. We have to test it and see how it works. JEFF GRANGE He was the prototype for what we're all looking for. He represented the jockey colony with so much d... D. WAYNE LUKAS You might get a No.1 pick like Peyton Manning. Ask the Colts if they think the system is working. Or... GREG AIELLO That touchdown to Ferguson was vintage Brett Favre, DOUG PEDERSON SUNDAY ADELAJA This is a full-size store with all the bells and whistles. In fact, it's our most popular prototype. DON HARRISON I am really into the type of girl you can impress with a prototype. ROBIN SLOAN DAVID HORSEY A lot of companies will -- may -- reduce production or decrease production thinking sales will go do... BRIAN HUFF As a writer, I always think about who my prototype actors are, in my brain. It's helpful, as a w... CARLTON CUSE SUSAN WOJCICKI LAURIE ANDERSON I like to open for a band as it brings on sort of a challenge and it makes things more interesting. ... KELLY JONES AMBROSE BIERCE SIGMUND FREUD SIGMUND FREUD We said we would not franchise until we developed a prototype (restaurant) and finalized a menu and ... TERRY SMITH For years, Democrats have played defense. I want to be Brett Favre and throwing long balls and win. JOE WINEKE AARON RODGERS What that told me was that I now had a chance to get Brett Favre as a player, RON WOLF Every building is a prototype. No two are alike. HELMUT JAHN Rather naively, perhaps, we left it. I don't ever remember seeing that prototype again. JIM BARTON JOHN MADDEN As John Fox told me, personally, Sean Payton has the 'it' factor. And I believe him. MICKEY LOOMIS I think it started at the end of the year. That year Brett started off pretty strong and I think Mik... TY DETMER If you're not scared or angry at the thought of a human brain being controlled remotely, then it cou... JOHN ALEJANDRO KING Against beliefs in extinction of self at bodily death or loss of identity in reincarnation stands th... DAVID L. HATTON AMBROSE BIERCE BRETT FAVRE The idea of an e-book has been around since the late 1970s, when researchers at Xerox PARC got on th... CHARLES PLATT We're currently working on two diseases to prototype with. BOB POWELL They wanted to see a larger prototype first to see how it all worked, and then we'll build something... RICH DANIELSON I was just a rookie, and I don't think Troy realized how fast I was. We've seen each other a lot sin... LAVAR ARRINGTON There's a tremendous number of the Daytona Prototypes. BOBBY RAHAL WIN NG SIGMUND FREUD It's not yet ready to give out to the public. It's an embarrassing research prototype that barely wo... GUY STEELE In this situation, had it been someone like Brett Favre, they would have called him a warrior. TERRELL OWENS We're developing a prototype system that will interface tsunami computer simulations with buoy obser... HAROLD MOFJELD Edison tried his light bulb a thousand times. I don't want to do this (assembling a prototype for te... BRIAN MARTIN My favorite ever, I mean, Brett Favre, you have to have the jitters. Just watching him, you're in aw... J.P. LOSMAN People lose their muscles in space because there is no gravity. I've designed the strength training ... DONNER GRIGSBY (All the grief she had suffered over her lifetime had moulded her face into a mask of eternal sadnes... JEAN SASSON I know of a packaging company that's come up with a prototype of selling a no-frills disc when peopl... LARRY JAFFEE LISA KLEYPAS You're right, but Alexander Cartwright was a good friend of Shakespeare's and they played a prototyp... FRAN HEALY It has very steady results. They are one of the leaders in software for engineering simulation where... PAUL MEEKS EDITH STEIN We got in a position to win the game. Brett is an outstanding kicker and we just missed it. We got a... MIKE WELCH Science at that time was looking at fragmented pieces of a big picture. Scientists were looking at t... HAROLD BROWNING He has come up with a prototype of the type of facilities that seem to be working in other areas. Fo... GARY HATCH I'm proud that Della was sort of a prototype for TV secretaries. There really was no such establ... BARBARA HALE SHIRLEY MACLAINE JOAN DIDION JONATHAN IVE SHIGERU MIYAMOTO I think from the dealers standpoint, the bottom line is that its nothing they're happy about. For th... SHANE SWEET And they talk about their bona fide doctors. They have a list of doctors that signed affidavits from... MICHAEL SCHIAVO As coaches at Palma, we've always felt that Chad had tremendous Division I talent. But he's not your... JEFF CARNAZZO You ask yourself, 'What do you want your legacy to be?' I'm content at this point to say... BILL PARCELLS BURT RUTAN Most of our newer prototype stations are about 7,200 square feet, and that station is about 3,500 sq... HEATHER DANENHOWER LORD BUCKLEY LORD BUCKLEY I will tell you I think that the intelligence community -- I'm not going to speak for them -- I thin... KURT CAMPBELL He's kind of like a younger version of Brett Favre. You don't see him as a mobile quarterback. He ma... MIKE RUCKER SHIGERU MIYAMOTO We were looking at whether the initial cognitive impairment predicted or was associated with how the... LARRY GOLDSTEIN DONNA A. FAVORS Everything about my journey to get Spanx off the ground entailed me having to be a salesperson - fro... SARA BLAKELY It takes a huge amount of effort to move from a successful high-tech prototype to broader adoption o... ERIC BETZIG ROBERT COLLIER ROBERT COLLIER There's a wow factor here. I usually know within a second or two of seeing a picture whether its a s... ROBERT NEMIROFF TALIB KWELI My first laps in the Courage were really satisfying, throughout the three free practice sessions, I ... DAVID HART THOM MAYNE In looking back at the relationship, I can see that there are all these things happening, that I did... JULIANA HATFIELD I'm just happy to be part of a winning game plan. To come in here and win the game while No. 4 [ Bre... BRIAN RUSSELL ROBERT COLLIER We were looking at the shot chart (at halftime), and a lot of their shots were out on the perimeter.... CLIFF THOMPSON Not to Break Into Sublevel TwoALLY CARTER The type of picture or image selection or its admiration defines man’s heart and reflects his pres... ANUJ SOMANY
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I think this was different that the situation in Oakland two years ago. I was fortunate enough that ... SEAN PAYTON Our turnover ratio last year was at the bottom of the league. If you look at that statistic, everyon... SEAN PAYTON I worked with Joe at the Eagles and the one thing you can say is that his players always excel. Joe ... SEAN PAYTON I worked with Joe at the Eagles and the one thing you can say is that his players always excel. SEAN PAYTON You've got a young ascending player who's proven at this level he can win. SEAN PAYTON We've acquired some players because it was an area we felt like we needed to improve and whether or ... SEAN PAYTON We've worked hard to fill our coaching staff with assistants who know the game and have excelled at ... 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MICHAEL PAYTON Without the budget, things suffer ? teachers can lose jobs and programs can be taken away. It's not ... MICHAEL PAYTON You had better be prepared for a high degree of vetting and disclosure as to who you are and what yo... MICHAEL PAYTON Everyone is in competition with one another. We want to give you a reason to make Carolina Place the... MICHAEL PAYTON Substantial financial institutions on the ground (is important). I would never recommend to a client... MICHAEL PAYTON Invariably the businessman is going to want to visit his bankers, so I think location plays a part. ... MICHAEL PAYTON I'm going to try to help Jason as much as possible. He has never had a guy like me to guide him. Whe... GARY PAYTON We're very close, and when he steps up for me like that, it's hard to tell him no. GARY PAYTON We want to win basketball games, and not let our egos get in the way. Everybody on this team has, at... GARY PAYTON George said I needed to start giving him something special, GARY PAYTON It felt good to come out and get a welcome like that, ... It makes you feel like you?re at home. GARY PAYTON We've got to expect a war. Everybody's overlooking this team, but this is a very good team. GARY PAYTON They're athletic and young and they're all freewheeling. They're playing really loose, so it's going... GARY PAYTON That's not why they came here, to win a Western Conference championship. GARY PAYTON We were playing well, GARY PAYTON Beautiful is the man who leaves a legacy that of shared love and life. It is he who transfers meanin... STELLA PAYTON Bloom where you are planted and sow where you are fed... STELLA PAYTON The whole point to New Years is not just to have a new year. But that we should be new, better and d... STELLA PAYTON Its all about perception, that is how you look at. Your own thoughts and outlook defines whether it ... STELLA PAYTON They are taught to be in a pleasant place ... to fill their lungs as much as they can and exhale ver... HOWARD PAYTON I didn't say anything vulgar or swear at him. I just kept telling him he missed it. I didn't walk aw... JAY PAYTON The misnomer or the misperception out there is that banking countries such as the Bahamas, the Cayma... MICHAEL PAYTON That's troublesome. You always have to think about beating these guys. They come into the playoffs, ... GARY PAYTON It's nice to know that people see what we are doing. I think we do set an example. All of the kids t... CEDRIC PAYTON Seeing a kid that they said couldn't make it, make it is wonderful. Just to see them smile is worth ... CEDRIC PAYTON We are four brothers who had a dream. We deal with youth that people don't really want to talk about... CEDRIC PAYTON What dreams lie dormant hidden in the womb of your soul, quietly waiting, incubating seeking opportu... STELLA PAYTON I find so many opportunities to fall, to falter, and fail when I refuse to surrender to change. Chan... STELLA PAYTON We're going to do everything we can not to lose the momentum we have and get ready for the next leve... EDDIE PAYTON We're young, but we knew from what we were doing in the year that we were barking up the right tree.... EDDIE PAYTON (The center) is a tribute to a life that meant so much to this community and this university. EDDIE PAYTON Allocate your resources wisely for all men have been endowed with abilities that are more than suffi... STELLA PAYTON [The Bulls] are all athletic and young and they're all free willing. They're playing really loose. I... GARY PAYTON Turn a major mistake into a master mentor, learn from it. STELLA PAYTON WALTER PAYTON [BOSTON ? Tie game, runner in scoring position and David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez due up in the 10th ... JAY PAYTON It's about as bad as it gets. Those are the last two guys in the world you want to face with a guy o... JAY PAYTON I was just trying to cut him off. I didn't want to go head first because if he goes feet first, I ge... JAY PAYTON That's mainly why I wanted to get out of Boston, ... Fortunately, it's worked out well -- maybe a li... JAY PAYTON I didn't want to go headfirst because I'm thinking, if he goes feet-first, then I get spiked. I gues... JAY PAYTON I didn't have anybody to throw to, so I had to take off for second. I was just trying to cut him off... JAY PAYTON We were contagiously all bad at the same time, now we're contagiously all swinging the bats pretty g... JAY PAYTON That's mainly why I wanted to get out of Boston. Fortunately, it's worked out well ? maybe a little ... JAY PAYTON [OAKLAND: Top starters Rich Harden and Barry Zito will get an extra day of rest next week. Dan Haren... JAY PAYTON We get two hits one night and nine runs the next. If someone can come up with a magic formula on why... JAY PAYTON American philanthropic custom owes much to leadership by business and professional people. -Robert ... ROBERT L. PAYTON On a really good day, if I'm really trying, in the morning I'll have a piece of toast, vitam... JO MARIE PAYTON SEAN COMBS There are doctors who help people who have done bad things; there are lawyers who defend bad people.... SEAN SPICER SEAN CONNERY SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG SEAN YOUNG I just remember I wanted to make my own dynasty and not keep following trends. I wanted to make my o... BIG SEAN SEAN COVEY I have liberal friends. They are misguided, they are wrong. I disagree with them. I don't want t... SEAN HANNITY I was a telemarketer in my senior year at high school. I had to sell prosthetic limbs to paralysed v... BIG SEAN Pessimists are usually kind. The gay, bubbling over, have to time for the pitiful. SEAN O'FAOLAIN SEAN COMBS I don't want to paint everybody with the same broad brush. But I do think that the majority of f... SEAN SPICER For small community banks and credit unions, like those in Central and Northern Wisconsin, the hundr... SEAN DUFFY SEAN BEAN SEAN PENN There is only one admirable form of the imagination: the imagination that is so intense that it crea... SEAN O'FAOLAIN By the time my first album was out, I had been out in Jamaica three or four years, but I had hits ou... SEAN PAUL SEAN BALTZ I'd never heard of the 'Lord of the Rings', actually. So I went to the bookstore and the... SEAN ASTIN SEAN COMBS There's no reason to bring religion into it. I think we ought to have as great a regard for religion... SEAN O'CASEY Here, the churches seemed to shrink away into eroding corners. They seem to have ceased to be essent... SEAN O'CASEY The flame from the angel's sword in the garden of Eden has been catalyzed into the atom bomb; God's ... SEAN O'CASEY SEAN CONNERY Wealth often takes away chances from men as well as poverty. There is none to tell the rich to go on... SEAN O'CASEY Work! labor the asparagus me of life; the one great sacrament of humanity from which all other thing... SEAN O'CASEY SEAN PENN We live in a pretty bleak time. I feel that in the air. Everything is uncertain. Everything feels li... SEAN LENNON Sometimes I feel like putting on a blazer with just a T-shirt. BIG SEAN Is America a land of God where saints abide for ever? Where golden fields spread fair and broad, whe... SEAN O'CASEY I had an advantage because people would post me on blogs because I had co-signs from Kanye West, Def... BIG SEAN The worlds a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. SEAN O'CASEY SEAN PENN The military mind is indeed a menace. Old-fashioned futurity that sees only men fighting and dying i... SEAN O'CASEY SEAN CONNERY Disease an never be conquered, can never be quelled by emotion's willful screaming or faith's symbol... SEAN O'CASEY Here we have bishops, priests, and deacons, a Censorship Board, vigilant librarians, confraternities... SEAN O'CASEY Here, with whitened hair, desires failing, strength ebbing out of him, with the sun gone down and wi... SEAN O'CASEY SEAN ADAMS The wide wonder of Broadway is disconsolate in the daytime; but gaudily glorious at night, with a mi... SEAN O'CASEY SEAN CONNERY Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, great as each may be, their highest comfort given to the sorrowful is a cor... SEAN O'CASEY If church prelates, past or present, had even an inkling of physiology they SEAN O'CASEY SEAN BALTZ The whole worl's in a state o' chassis. SEAN O'CASEY All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. SEAN O'CASEY SEAN COVEY SEAN COVEY Churches, by the very reason of their structures, are monolithic and do not adapt easily. But in man... SEAN MACBRIDE SEAN PENN In 1975, no State or Church guidelines existed in the Republic of Ireland to assist those responding... SEAN BRADY You're going to see a rise of the white male voter who feels like they're not secure, their ... SEAN DUFFY As American families and businesses have been forced to tighten their belts, Washington has refused ... SEAN DUFFY There is only one admirable form of the imagination: the imagination that is so intense that it crea... SEAN O'FAOLAIN SEAN PARKER SEAN BERDY SEAN CONNERY My liberal friends, Congressional Black Caucus members, talk about fighting for the defenseless, the... SEAN DUFFY Kellyanne is the first female campaign manager of any major party to win a presidential general elec... SEAN SPICER I've had every kind of humiliation, from playing in Gala Bingo halls to doing a PA in a Glaswegi... SEAN MAGUIRE SEAN BEAN Victory is the child of preparation and determination. SEAN HAMPTON A dream without ambition is like a car without gas... you're not going anywhere. SEAN HAMPTON SEAN MAHER SEAN PARKER SEAN YOUNG SEAN COVEY The hallway of every man's life is paced with pictures; pictures gay and pictures gloomy, all us... SEAN O'CASEY I've definitely stolen a lot of things. BIG SEAN The hybrid I have now is one of the least expensive cars I've ever had. I had a BMW 318i convert... SEAN ASTIN I make sure I always surround myself with good, down to earth, fun, real people, who always keep me ... SEAN KINGSTON We had a cat in college named Chloe, and it was the most evil, awful cat in the world... When we lef... SEAN HAYES I am not in the business of pointing fingers or making excuses. However, recent history has shown th... SEAN QUINN SEAN COVEY SEAN BEAN It's claustrophobic, and I think it is to do with the amount that we're exposing people to o... SEAN BOOTH SEAN COVEY The trappings of a religious cult tend to fall into candlelit ceremonies and robes and group chantin... SEAN DURKIN In Cape Town, there's a drive from Cape Point to Camps Bay where the road is hewn out of the cli... SEAN PERTWEE If Scott Brown can win in a state that President Obama won by 26 points, I can win in a district tha... SEAN DUFFY SEAN COMBS I don't think an artist should keep themselves categorized in a specific box. SEAN KINGSTON I listened to George Carlin when I was a kid and knew every word of his routines. SEAN HAYES SEAN PENN SEAN COMBS SEAN BEAN I'm quite into the idea of engineering being beautiful. SEAN BOOTH SEAN CONNERY Nobody owes anything to anybody. You are your authentic self to whom and when you choose to be, and ... SEAN HAYES SEAN BEAN Adidas is just right. They've been, like, a partner I couldn't be more thankful for. I reall... BIG SEAN SEAN BERDY SEAN BERDY I think kids should have a mentor and a role model, but that they shouldn't take one person'... SEAN PAUL SEAN YOUNG There is always tension between the possibilities we aspire to and our wounded memories and past mis... SEAN BRADY SEAN BEAN I told another ESPN friend here, I love all sports. I can't think of any I don't love. I'... SEAN ASTIN Yes, I am scared of prison. It's the last thing if you are after building up a business over 38 ... SEAN QUINN When I got into art school, I thought it was paradise. I wanted to be an artist so much that I was r... SEAN SCULLY SEAN BEAN There are only really a few stories to tell in the end, and betrayal and the failure of love is one ... SEAN LENNON SEAN COMBS SEAN COVEY I remember being a bathtub singer. You know, the type that sings and everybody's like, 'Shut... SEAN PAUL SEAN PENN And I'm OK being judged as an actor. SEAN HAYES SEAN PENN Being famous is having the power to really implement positive change in the world, and it gives you ... SEAN LENNON
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I'm picking Mike Sherman in Green Bay. Listen, injuries are part of the game and injuries are mounti... 
The Romantic poets were the prototype ramblers, and I've often found myself following in their f... 
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For God’s kingdom to be established there is a prototype 
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I love taking an idea... to a prototype and then to a product that millions of people use. 
The problem with prototypes is they don't always work. 
PHOENIX, n. The classical prototype of the modern "small hot bird." 
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No one who has seen a baby sinking back satiated from the breast and falling asleep with flushed che... 
Brady's a great quarterback, ... But I've got Brett Favre on my team. I've been paying attention to ... 
They say Brett Favre has an 'S' on underneath his jersey and he is going to go and be Superman every... 
PILLORY, n. A mechanical device for inflicting personal distinction --prototype of the modern newspa... 
They've lost some free agents and haven't replaced them but one of the main problems is that Brett F... 
Developing a prototype early is the number one goal for our designers, or anyone else who has an ide... 
The act of birth is the first experience of anxiety, and thus the source and prototype of the affect... 
Not," Swift said firmly, "for all the tea in China."
Since Mary is the prototype of pure womanhood, the imitation of Mary must be the goal of girls' ... 
I've never cared whether a picture makes money or not. Now I care, because it's all about whether th... 
The arrangement of the words matters, and the arrangement you want can be found in the picture in yo... 
If you are truly innovating, you don't have a prototype you can refer to. 
Well, for over a year now at my desk, a prototype program of Luigi and Mario has been running on my ... 
We then develop an expert prototype-manufacturing workforce for our research projects, and later pro... 
You've got to watch your mind all the time or you'll awaken and find a strange picture on your press... 
You've got to watch your mind all the time or you'll awaken and find a
strange picture on your press... 
I think theres a little child in all of us and we all to often forget to let the child out to play. 
The great successful men of the world have used their imaginations... they think ahead and create th... 
The great successful men of the world have used their imaginations... they think ahead and create th... 
I think once you're in the public eye, whether you're a boss, a teacher or whatever you do, ... 
There is no modern prototype for a campus. You have to have a completely different model which has t... 
The great successful men of the world have used their imaginations, they think
ahead and create thei... 
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I don't have to jump up and smile just because TV wants me to. 
Money isn't everything. Do you get married because of money? Do you have kids because of money? 
Running alone is the toughest. You get to the point where you have to keep pushing yourself. 
Man, I just feel blessed... I was in a situation where the only way I could come out of it was by pu... 
Some age, others mature. 
I don't want to do any more movies where I look at it and go, 'Oh, God, gross.' 
I don't really like doing interviews. 
I have a lot of supporters. 
Seeing things from a different point of view can help us understand why other people act the way the... 
People from all walks of life and all over the world look at me and know my humble beginnings and kn... 
Working in a garden calms me down. 
Well, look at all of these summer blockbusters. You can't help but laugh a little, because you&#... 
I do not want faith, I want knowledge. I do not want hope, I want truth. 
I'm an actor - it's not brain surgery. If I do my job right, people won't ask for their ... 
When everything gets answered, it's fake. 
Laughter kills fear, and without fear there can be no faith. For without fear of the devil there is ... 
Work is a part of life, not the point of it. 
Once you understand life----you understand life's potential. 
Stop being a critic and be a light; don't be a judge, be a model. I think we are far too critica... 
There came a time when these two incompatible notions of who I was, well, something had to give. Eit... 
The deaf community is nearly never portrayed accurately on television/film because most writers neve... 
Starting a new job is always scary, or at least for me it's always scary. It's like the firs... 
You are free to choose what you want to make of your life. It's called free agency or free will,... 
Jimmy McGovern - I love his writing, and I'm a big fan of him and Alan Clarke. 
I think Daniel Craig is brilliant as Bond. I remember at the beginning, they were all saying, 'O... 
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Bad Boy Entertainment did not shoot anybody. I didn't shoot anybody. 
There's a lot of mediocrity being celebrated, and a lot of wonderful stuff being ignored or disc... 