I think just to hurt people.

[Prosecutors say the] cooperating witness ... advised the (witness) that he genuinely desired to attend a camp and strongly indicated in his final conversation with the (witness) that he had been accepted to 'training' and was going to attend the same after a Ramadan in 2003.

believed that his uncle ran the (training) camp that he attended and was 75 to 80 percent certain that his grandfather ran the camp.

He went before or after me. I'll say before, I don't want you to tell me (just) any name, I want you to tell me who went to camp. I want to know what you know, not what you're speculating about.

You gotta show me good faith here. We're gonna try and help. You're not the big fish, you're a small player. I'm trying to build an argument for you that you're helping us. You gotta give me something. Who's one of your friends that went to camp?

that he understood the nature and structure of various known Pakistani terrorist groups and that he had detailed knowledge regarding the mechanics of attending a jihadi camp. He also indicated that his relatives had various connections to jihadist groups.