I miss that sensation of a small achievement feeling like a really big deal.

In America, small business is a big deal.

You don't want to make a big deal out of it because it sounds indulgent. But the fact of the matter is that, for all South African filmmakers, because we don't make a lot of films, you feel an unrealistic pressure that your film has to say so much and has to be about everything in South Africa.

The NBA wasn't a big deal at that time, so it wasn't really in my career plans.

It wasn't really a big deal,

That's a big deal that all three of us came out of a small town like that, ... I talked to Bill like two or three days ago, and O.J. calls me every once in a while. We keep in touch.