I learned a lot living in that environment.

It really was an awful, awful environment,

I was actually a little nervous because I was really hoping we would be a No. 16 or a 15 seed. When they called out we were a 15 seed, it was really exciting.

The NCAA Tournament is your ultimate goal. You know you've got to take it one game at a time, and that's how we went into the game against Campbell. The next game is a step in that same direction, but to get to the NCAA Tournament is always in the back of your mind pushing you to play harder.

This is a real living environment, and you can't describe all these things.

It's a very trying environment. We need to see the equity markets firm up and then we need to see the retail investments in particular pick back up again.