I get satisfaction out of seeing stuff that makes real change in the real world. We need a lot more of that and a lot less abstract stuff.

Long ago, I became more interested in the real world than in make-believe.

There are the things that are out in the open, and there are the things that are hidden. The real world has more to do with what is hidden.

I'm interested in the real world.

You don't get second chances in the real world.

Government has really been growing, a lot of largesse, but the people in the real world aren't. And that's what has to change. Government has no conformity at all with the real world.