I don't take any pride in this news at all,

Anytime you have anything that even smacks of scandal, I think it hurts all of us,

Anytime you have anything that even smacks of scandal, I think it hurts all of us.

It is a dilemma. It's very painful, ... It just pushes off - that much more - the day when we can bring our budget into balance.

If we do it, it's a budget disaster,

Initially, we're all emotional about it, and therefore much more willing to put the money up to take care of the immediate emergency,