Her vision is a lot of what you see in WREN today. She's been very passionate about WREN and has really directed it.

The logic behind Goldman Sachs going public today is not so much to create liquidity for the partners in terms of their ownership interests.

On the one hand, Natalie has been the heart and soul of WREN. And on the other hand, the [WREN] members are the heart and soul of WREN.

I think vision is highly overrated today. I think what really blesses a ministry is, if you want the power of God in your life, its humility and integrity. I'll take a person who's humble and has integrity over a person who has vision any day. A lot of people have vision just based on ego, but it's in that dependence upon God that we get His vision and develop more trust in Him.

Our vision of what's important is exactly the same today, bringing together the best systems and the best software to empower people with rich information solutions.

I would rather have a good plan today than a perfect plan two weeks from now.