(General manager) Don Waddell is trying to minimize the differences between us, but the difference is sizable.

Give them credit. They took it right at us. We got a little complacent. We were trying to hang on instead of attacking.

I remember how devastated the family was standing around him and he was the one trying to make conversation so we'd feel better. He can be pretty stoic. He doesn't really show frustration or disappointment.

We're going to eliminate 3,000 management positions, as we've always said, and those are not going to necessarily be layoffs,

Nynex has had an ongoing volunteer retirement program and some folks may slide over to those positions as people accept the buyouts.

I'm sure Ilya's going to want to have representation there, but I have no objection to that. It would probably be good for Don to see the reality of what's over there.