David gives us guidance. We had a clear-cut 10 years ago. We had nine bids from $60,000 to almost $200,000. If we had just gone in the middle, say $100,000, you see how much money we would have lost. I wouldn't think about making a timber sale without a forester. I would say that's the biggest benefit. You get good, free advice from the North Carolina Forest Service, too.

We found out that tobacco was the only thing that could carry us.

Tom Morgan with the North Carolina Forest Service got me started back in 1964. He drew up my first plan. From there, he made a lot of suggestions for me to follow. Some I did, and some I did not. Then, Bill Holmes drew up my second plan. He was with Stone Container. Somewhere in this time, I joined the Weyerhaeuser Company Tree Farm Family Program, and they gave me technical advice that was good.

We made more money on dirt than we ever did on tobacco. Selling dirt is the best way to get money.

Originally, we had about 275 acres in this farm. The state took 13 acres of the land to build the highway. We didn't like it to begin with.

We are going to take the buyout.